The Fat, Slow Firefox for Mac to Get Sleeker?

As a heavy web user I typically use Firefox as my browser of choice. Recently much has been made about Firefox becoming bloated as it continues to evolve and gain market share – I agree with this 100%. I remember the initial releases of Firefox being so sleek and fast; with the latest version I might as well be running IE.

If it weren’t for the plugins, I would have moved on to something else – either Opera or back to exclusive Safari use on the Mac – but some of the plugins I’ve grown so accustomed to using that I’m not sure what I would do without them.

Some say the plugins are the source of the performance issues. While I only actively run 3, I decided to do a complete reinstall of Firefox 2 without the plugins to see if it would help any in the performance department. As far as I could tell, there was no noticeable difference.

I wish it weren’t the case that companies think they need to keep piling on new features with every software iteration. I’d gladly take performance any day of the week over a bunch of things built-in that I simply don’t need. You’d think Firefox would be all about this as they have such a robust plug-in library that allows users to pick and choose what they want to add, but they too keep adding on unnecessary weight to the base browser.

While I use a PC at work and have some Firefox performance problems – my main problem is at home with Firefox for my Mac. Not only is the thing a resource hog, but it has started constantly crashing when I simply try to quit it. To me it just seems like Mac Firefox is simply a port of the Windows Firefox – and runs accordingly.

As such I’ve been trying to use Camino, Mozilla’s Mac-only browser, more for my everyday browsing. It lacks the plug-ins of Firefox (so I keep that minimized) but it allows me greater access to pages then Safari does. It also seems to run much faster then Firefox, likely because it’s simply not so bloated. Camino also looks much nicer on a Mac then Firefox does.

But hope still remains for Firefox on the Mac. Supposedly Mozilla is hard at work on making Firefox 3 – due later this year – for OS X, more Mac-centric.

This should be nice, but only if they are able to significantly improve performance. They simply need to cut off all the fat and make a browser that has a bare-bones base and allows users to add whichever plug-ins they want. Bigger (more features out of the box) isn’t always better.

[UPDATE 5/20]: The New York Times has a new piece on the growing pains of Firefox.

  • Wayne Smallman
    I have to disagree with you on this.


    Safari has a broken rendering engine, Opera is just laughably bad, and about the only thing that comes close to Firefox is OmniWeb, which is hobbled because it used WebKit .. the same broken rendering engine Safari uses.



    On my computers, I don't see Firefox as being slow. It trounces Safari on every level...
  • MG Siegler
    Really, Wayne, that's interesting that you get awful performance from Safari but good performance from Firefox.


    What kind of system are you running? How many plug-ins do you have installed on Firefox?



    I've been using Camino and I really like it, running much faster for me. Maybe I just have an issue with something on my system and Firefox...
  • Wayne Smallman
    OK, first off, I think I better qualify the problems I've had with Safari.


    First off -- and I think this is more a design choice by Apple than anything else -- CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) have little or no influence on form elements in Safari.



    Additionally, the form elements routinely jump around and 'break' formatting options, making drop-down / pop-up menus hang out all over the place.



    Then there's still some websites that just don't render right. I remember Apple asking people to tell them when they found websites that Safari choked on.



    That's pretty bad.



    Now back to Firefox.



    I'm running a PowerMac G5 (Mac OS X 10.3.9) at the office and a MacBook Pro here at home (Mac OS X 10.4.9)



    I run Firefox on both and I have hardly any issues at all. Yes, I'll get the odd random crash, but certainly not nearly as many as I get with Safari.



    As for Add-Ons, I try to run only 'trusted' stuff, like the truly excellent del.icio.us Add-On, and Google Browser Sync, which is just sublime (both of which I've 'blogged about quite extensively recently.)



    More recently, I'm also running Google Notebook and StumbleUpon, which are both performing quite well.



    I'd be lost without Firefox, I really would.



    For me -- since this does seem to be a personal thing -- the difference between Firefox and Safari is like night & day.



    Does that help?
  • MG Siegler
    Yeah I know of the CSS form problems with Safari, hopefully they'll be doing something about that in Safari 3 - I hear they have a lot of updates in store...


    I'm running the del.icio.us and stumbleUpon plugins as well - i had the google notebook one running for a little bit but I found the performance of it to be quite bad, plus Google has their own JS notebook popup on many of their pages one of which I usually have open at all times anyway.



    It's strange though that our experiences seem to be reversed. It literally takes me 3-4 times as long to start up Firefox as it does Safari, my system constantly hands when I first load up Gmail, and as I said I can never quit it anymore without it crashing.



    Despite the issues, I love Firefox as well for development stuff and that's why I hope version 3 seems more tailored to the Mac then just the PC.
  • Wayne Smallman
    Well, if what I've read about Firefox 3 is anything to go by, sleek isn't a word readily applicable.


    What with the off-line web application support (sort of already covered with Adobe Apollo and Apple's Dashboard) Firefox is only going to get bigger.



    BTW: thanks for the add on Twitter...
  • MG Siegler
    You bet Wayne, and right on with the point of FF 3's offline functionality.


    We'll see how big that makes it, but I do think it's a very cool functionality to have, one that again will eat up IE, and I hope their vision for microformats is fully realized as well.
  • Anonymous
    I just tested it:


    IE7 is even faster than FF. Not to compare startup times.



    Sad but fact:

    a) FF doesn't introduce any big new feature when "upping" major versions.

    b) FF isn't fast and light anymore. Firefox is big, fat and slow.



    c) The main problem is: There are no alternatives.
  • Michael
    Firefox is bloated and unsecure, and you have to tweak it to get rid of a bunch of bloat/speed issues


    Safari is bloated (on windows)

    Safari is broken (on mac and windows)



    Opera gives you too little choice, isn't forgiving for page errors, o and has stupid features (speed dial, torrent downloads)



    IE6 is slow, unsecure, has a low amount of customization, and broken.



    IE7 has a low amount of customization, and due to the lack of updates has a good chance of things going to shit. That design choice may be good for light users, but it pisses me off.



    Netscape is, dear god, install it and prepare to rip out your eyes.



    They all bloody suck. I use opera (And IE7/Firefox occasionally) for a 1.33ghz laptop, and Firefox for faster computers.
  • MG Siegler
    @Michael - agree on all counts - which is why I stick with Camino (also made by Mozilla but Mac-only), though Safari 3 has been running very well, still a few bugs though.
  • MPL Knight
    There are literally hundreds of ways to increase the speed of Firefox through simple setup and the about:config. Ways to lower the RAM consumption, ways to speed up website loading, and more.


    To say that Firefox is bloated and slow is simply meaning you haven't taken a spare moment and done anything out of the box to customize your experience. Which I can understand may end up being slower than you would like since it is set to default everything and not tweaked for your individual computer.



    I simply wish people would google "Speed Up Firefox" or "Firefox Tweaks" before they go on a rant to the world... The power of the internet at our fingertips and we always manage to foget the obvious - look it up.
  • MG Siegler
    @MPL - true enough, but 99% of the average users out there aren't going to do that, and Mozilla no doubt knows this and needs to improve performance without requiring user tweaks to do so.
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