Dave Winer Wants To Create an ‘Elite Digg’

Dave Winer has laid out a proposal on his blog for an ‘elite Digg’ of sorts. It seems he’s been fed up with Digg ever since it grew from hundreds of users into hundreds of thousands and millions of users – and now he wants to hark back to the old days where only somewhere between 100-1,000 were using it and submitting stories. His initial plan is to have 25 or so invite-only members who would be allowed to submit stories to the site, and then all of the Internet could read what these 25 found.

While I understand what Dave Winer is looking for here – a more taut collection of stories then say “Cute, Fluffy South China Tiger Cub Born in South Africa“, as is a top story on Digg as I write this – he wants to create dozens if not more of these “Diggs” which would likely dilute the quality of stories too much.

If he does want each elite blogger to have his or her own Digg, it would seem at least one already has something similar in place – it just doesn’t look like Digg. He mentions Robert Scoble – well as Robert Scoble loves to point out, you should be reading his Google Reader Shared Feed. That is essentially his “Digg”. True, you can’t vote on the stories he picks, but if Google Reader would simply implement the idea I’ve laid out numerous times, and showcase which stories are ’starred’ and ’shared’ the most, that would essentially be Digg.

This idea also brings to mind what Jason Calacanis did with Netscape last year when he hired some of the top Digg (and other social bookmarking sites) users to serve as editors of sorts – making sure the main page of Netscape was populated with quality stories.

Then of course there is Techmeme, which sort of does what Mr. Winer appears to be looking for (for tech news at least), by displaying stories some of the higher-end bloggers think well enough of to write about, but lacks the voting and refreshes slower on a daily basis then Digg of old.

There is also the can or worms that Digg itself worked hard to shut at the beginning of this year by removing the Top Users list (of which I was one). There was a growing perception around Digg – true or not – that a handful of users completely controlled the stories that became popular. I saw first hand the so-called regular users get really upset by this perception, and so I’m not sure how a user would react to being fed information from only a handful of sources – though maybe if they were told that upfront, it would be a non-issue, who knows.

Dave Winer claims Steve Gillmor is actually working on something like this right now (in private beta) and that he should be ready to announce it soon (maybe even this week). I’m a little confused as to what exactly that will be – an ‘elite Digg’ Digg-killer, a Digg-maker like Blogger is a blog maker, or something entirely different. But he sure sounds excited about it.

Again, while I understand where Dave Winer is coming from with this idea, I’m not sure it could actually work any better then some of the things we already have out there. If Google would just get off its ass and make Google Reader data transparent (for those who wanted to show it of course), we might already have a solution.

I think the real idea here should not be to keep on creating more Digg-clones, but to create something entirely new that will revolutionize the landscape.

[photo under CC by flickr user tom jervis]

  • Charbarred
    The problem is that you can't make a lot of money without the masses. The masses are simpler in their collective needs and you'd always end up with something like Digg.
    Try spending 10 minutes on http://news.spotback.com and you'll see how a news site is supposed to run. Spotback news is far superior to everything out there, but the masses didn't really understand how it works.
  • dreadsword
    Ummm --- isn't FARK more or less this concept? FARK draws from a big pool of submitters, but has an "Elite" which determines what makes frontpage (the "mods" that "greenlight" submissions from totalfark to fark). Ok, I guess its not a precise match - actually, its about halfway between Winer's concept and digg.


    Of course, I imagine Dave Winer would choose a different set of "elite" users than FARK's...



    On the topic of aggregators, verticals drawing from relatively small pools of content (like Techmeme, or my own project TechWatching.com) serve a similar purpose - but the algorithms behind them lack the random-human-ness factor that makes Digg a fun read in spite of its shortcomings.
  • I'm Blackout
    Couldn't somebody just take the Digg API and make a new front page for only your top friends?


    It'll be just like your favorite social network, MySpace! People can add friends, and group those friends... and then have a new page that only shows their top stories. Seems pretty simple, but still leverages the voting power of the masses...but just for stories submitted or dugg by the power users.
  • MG Siegler
    @charbarred - i think you're right, digg is about clicking one button and you're done. most people I'd say don't even go beyond the first page of popular stories. spotback (which I've used in the past) is nice, but more complicated


    @dreadsword - yes, for a long time now people have been preaching FARK as the alternative we should all be looking to. Fark is great, it has some UI issues - why on Earth can't you click on the headlines? - but it would definitely be included in my list of sites to check out to get the bigger picture for anyone who asked me. But you're also right in that this isn't what Dave Winer would want because the stories aren't submitted by the select few he wants.



    techwatching looks interesting - i'll have to check it out.



    @blackout - yes, as far as I know someone could do that, and I might know of someone working on something very similar. While that might be very close to what Dave Winer is looking for - I again think it's better to sometimes look at the bigger picture and take the crap with the gems.
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