Logo

parislemon

  • Random
  • Archive
  • RSS
  • Ask me anything

On Grouponzi

While I have an account, I’ve never actually used Groupon. And I may never use Groupon. It’s just not really my thing. But the massive backlash following the company’s S-1 filing (so they can IPO) strikes me as a bit odd. 

The fast rising consensus now in certain tech circles is that Groupon is essentially a Ponzi scheme (Grouponzi, FTW). The fact that their net income is well underwater (and going deeper) has everyone freaking out. As does the fact that some of the original investors (as well as founders) took hundreds of millions off the table in the last huge round.

But I’m more with Joe Stump on this. You cannot overlook the fact that they’re also making hundreds of millions of dollars each quarter now. The run-rate for this year could be over $3 billion.

Yes, the amount of money they’re spending on customer acquisition and retention is absolutely insane. (And the amount owed to merchants is especially troubling.) But look at what they’re up against. Pretty much single major player is now coming directly at them — including the company that tried to buy them for several billion and was turned down, Google.

Facebook is charging fast too. LivingSocial. Etc.

They need to get out in front of this. And that’s what they’re trying to do.

If you look at the actual breakdown, most of the money is being spent internationally. In the U.S., they’re actually near break-even. If they can get a strong enough foothold and ensure Google and Facebook don’t run them over, they can pull back that spending substantially. And guess what will be left? A shit ton of money. Profit.

International is murkier because there are going to be so many clones. But if they can win there too, those profits will have exploded, and we’ll have a new mega-company.

There is no doubt that the spending is a very risky move. But the payoff is potentially massive. That’s why they’re doing it. They could have easily taken Google’s billions, but they clearly think they can be much bigger. And that’s what they’re aiming for.

Again, it may not work. It may end up being a complete and total failure. But it seems a risk worth taking. And the founders/investors taking hundreds of million off the table is exactly what allows them to take this shot with minimal downside.

The problem will be when they are public and if the strategy isn’t working. Then you panic.

But they obviously know that. Once you go public, you report numbers every quarter. If investors see these types of numbers each quarter, they won’t be investors for long. If it’s a Ponzi scheme, it’s a pretty awful one.

The fact that every major player is rushing to clone Groupon says all you need to know about the business itself. It may not work for me, but it works. And it will pay off big time — for someone.

    • #facebook
    • #google
    • #groupon
    • #tech
    • #on
  • June 4, 2011
  • 58
  • Permalink
  • Share
    Tweet

58 Notes/ Hide

  1. pantiescutesmoking liked this
  2. latexcutelesbian liked this
  3. misprintdesp liked this
  4. thehiddenwiki reblogged this from parislemon
  5. kataskeuh-istoselidwn reblogged this from parislemon
  6. prowthish-istoselidon reblogged this from parislemon
  7. travelsim reblogged this from parislemon
  8. weddingthankyouwording reblogged this from parislemon
  9. 1article-mania reblogged this from parislemon
  10. nhmortgagebroker reblogged this from parislemon
  11. astro2k reblogged this from parislemon
  12. plutojenkins liked this
  13. msarp liked this
  14. msarp reblogged this from parislemon
  15. weddingphotographersdublin reblogged this from parislemon
  16. oferte-bucuresti liked this
  17. manishchhabra reblogged this from parislemon
  18. kswizz liked this
  19. ddemaree reblogged this from parislemon and added:
    M.G. Siegler on why calling...chasing such an aggressive growth strategy:
  20. dwr liked this
  21. segfault reblogged this from parislemon
  22. csavage liked this
  23. matthewfeuer liked this
  24. pedrossi liked this
  25. postformattestblog reblogged this from parislemon
  26. jianxioy liked this
  27. fredottv reblogged this from parislemon and added:
    you please confirm you have NO vested interested...competing, then WHY
  28. myrealname liked this
  29. lefthandme reblogged this from parislemon
  30. mirceapasoi liked this
  31. marco liked this
  32. chinneths liked this
  33. 111in2011 liked this
  34. domleca liked this
  35. loridorn reblogged this from parislemon
  36. vruz reblogged this from caterpillarcowboy and added:
    is there a very large number of small business with big margins willing to slash down those margins and sell their stuff...
  37. deepthinking liked this
  38. engers reblogged this from parislemon
  39. 1indienation liked this
  40. marshallhaas liked this
  41. hiten liked this
  42. caterpillarcowboy reblogged this from parislemon and added:
    Gonna disagree here. Consider this graph: and this graph: Customer acquisition costs are going up over time,
  43. lonelysandwich liked this
  44. yvynyl liked this
  45. miguelrios liked this
  46. sippey liked this
  47. joewhitmarsh liked this
  48. parislemon posted this
← Previous • Next →
Words by MG Siegler

Pages

  • About
  • Words
  • Vault
  • TC
  • Pando
  • Haikus

Elsewhere

  • @parislemon on Twitter
  • Facebook Profile
  • parislemon on Vimeo
  • parislemon on Youtube
  • parislemon on Flickr
  • parislemon on Foursquare
  • parislemon on Gowalla
  • Google
  • Linkedin Profile
  • RSS
  • Random
  • Archive
  • Ask me anything
  • Mobile

© 2012 MG Siegler. Effector Theme by Carlo Franco.

Powered by Tumblr